A native-born Rhode Islander, educated in Providence Public Schools, went to college in North Carolina and a political junkie and pessimistic optimist.

11 responses to “Eight Arguments in Mark Binder vs. Gordon Fox”

  1. DogDiesel

    Good article Sam. It seems that the two biggest questions when it comes to electing Mr. Binder is what can he get done as an independent and whether it’s worth losing a progressive in the leadership. As a an ‘unabashed progressive’, it’s not like he’s a conservative or libertarian. His ideology is not that far off from the main in the GA. As for Fox, something tells me he’s on his way out anyway. He lost Petrarca and now O’Neil and has started throwing others under the bus. The only thing I take issue with in your commentary is that there are others that are worse and far more responsible for the institutional culture of the GA. He is the leader. He does what he wants. If he wanted to reform it, he should have done that.

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  2. Alias Smith

    I would argue that the property tax is progressive and one of the fairer taxes. The problem is that it should not be relied on to solely fund education. Wealthy people should pay a fairer tax rate, which should be fairly distributed to municipalities. I think that’s the argument you’re trying to make. 

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    1. Portsmouth Citizen

      How is the property tax progressive? It’s generally thought of as regressive because the tax bears no relationship to the home owner’s ability to pay. For example, someone might buy a modest affordable home but sometime thereafter loose their job or have to take a much lower paying job. Similarly, an elderly person may have bought their home decades ago at the peak of their earning power, but now is on social security.
       
      Perhaps in a geographic demographic with very short average length of residence you could argue that any given recent home purchaser can bear a property tax commensurate with their ability to buy the home in the first place. But in RI, with our more elderly demographic, folks who bought their homes long ago may have seen their property values skyrocket through a few housing surges and now have a tax bill out of proportion to their earnings.

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      1. Alias Smith

        The concept of the property tax is progressive because you pay a higher tax rate based on the value of the property. It’s also pretty fair because rich people can hide their incomes, but they can’t hide their properties. 

        That being said, the way the property tax is often utilized, like it is here to solely fund education, is regressive. The wealthier municipalities will still have an unfair concentration of revenue for their school districts. I’m just trying to make that distinction. 

        If rich people paid a fairer share of income taxes which would be fairly distributed among municipalities, property taxes could be reduced.  

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  3. PinkHatLib

    I’d say it’s pretty clearly regressive. The poor pay a disproportionate amount of their income on housing.
    “The Vast Disposable Income Disparity Between the Rich and Poor”

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    1. Alias Smith

      If you’re poor, you’re pretty much paying a disproportionate amount of your income for everything. Most poor people are renters, and while you can certainly argue that property taxes are shifted to them through rent increases, the concept of the property tax is still a good one. It’s more a matter of the application of it that is the main problem. 

      Sin taxes are examples of truly regressive taxes.  

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      1. PinkHatLib

        “If you’re poor, you’re pretty much paying a disproportionate amount of your income for everything.”

        There are exceptions (the linked article show clothes for instance as releative flat as a percentage across incomes), but you’re just pointing out that many taxes are regressive. And, sure, there may be some that are even more regressive. But I’d say it’s clear that compared to state’s graduated income tax, property taxes disproportionately burden the poor. Not sure your point about renters. Property taxes are of course reflected in the rents.

        You state the ” the concept of the property tax is still a good one,” but without addressing the problems of that system we see year after year in cities like Providence. Providence has high school costs and low property tax base. So the solution is to jack up property tax rates?

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        1. Alias Smith

          “Providence has high school costs and low property tax base. So the solution is to jack up property tax rates?”

          I’ve twice stated no pretty clearly. No idea why you’re trying to put words in my mouth. 

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