New poll showing Kennedy vulnerability is poorly designed

Posted by: Brian Hull in Patrick Kennedy

Not surprisingly, the new WPRI poll is being touted as the possible end of Patrick Kennedy’s political career.  I’m not sure that’s entirely true because the survey design doesn’t actually give a very accurate measure of public sentiment.

The poll shows 31 percent of those interviewed said they would “consider another” candidate and 28 percent said they would “vote to replace” Kennedy. Those who would re-elect the eight-term Congressman came in at 35 percent. Five percent weren’t sure.

What does “consider another” candidate actually mean?  I suppose I would also consider someone else, but when it comes down to voting for either Kennedy or Loughlin, I’m going to vote for Kennedy. That’s my frustration with the poll.

Whenever there is an illusory alternative, people find it more attractive than if given a hard choice.  When questions are asked about whether or not people would vote for a Republican of Democrat in the next election, or “consider another,” the results are largely meaningless.  

The polling firm Fleming & Associates (is that the same Joe Fleming who is on Paiva-Weed’s payroll?) should have asked “if the election were held today, for whom would you vote: Democrat Patrick Kennedy, or Republican John Loughlin?"  Maybe then we would have a better understanding of how people felt about Kennedy.

Additionally, there is an over sampling of Republicans, and under sampling of Democrats and Independents.

The poll was conducted by phone January 27 through January 31, 2010. Reflecting the political canvas of the state; 39 percent of those polled considered themselves Democrat, 17 percent Republican and 41 percent Independent. Statewide statistics -- 500 registered voters -- comes with a 4.4 percent margin of error.

In a September 2008 Brown University survey, Patrick Kennedy’s job performance was as follows: 

15. How would you rate the job Patrick Kennedy is doing as U.S. representative? Excellent 11.1%; Good 35.6%; Only fair 26.6%; Poor 20.2%; Don’t know/No answer 6.5%

While only 47% of voters said they thought Kennedy was doing an excellent of good job, he got almost 69% of the vote in the November 2008 general election

What all this means is that poor survey design, or surveys taken out of context, means poor survey results.

I suppose that if you wanted to create a poll that reflects what the media frame currently is, that a specific Democrat named Kennedy may lose he seat as did Coakley lost another Kennedy seat in Massachusetts, this is the perfect poll.  If you want an accurate result of what people in the state (or more specifically, likely voters in District 1) are actually feeling about Kennedy, this poll fails to do that in any meaningful way.  

 

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elemare
But people are more willing to shop around
written by elemare, February 05, 2010
“if the election were held today, for whom would you vote: Democrat Patrick Kennedy, or Republican John Loughlin?"

A poll question worded that way could be more a reflection on Loughlin's lack of name recognition than voter satisfaction with Kennedy.

The Camelot-philes are dying off in larger numbers each year. They had been Kennedy's solid base, due to their mistaken transference of admiration and respect for John onto a faulty, and unworthy replica. As a newer generation fills his favorite campaign grounds - nursing homes - and with the last brother Ted gone, voters are more aware that THIS Kennedy mystique is really just a Kennedy mistake.
Rhode Island X
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written by Rhode Island X, February 05, 2010
elemare: Which is why Kennedy beat his opponents in 2008 by over 2-to-1, and presumably carried all age groups, right?
forsanri
Weak dismissal Brian
written by forsanri, February 05, 2010
Pretty weak argument here Brian.

Something dynamic happened between your 2008 polling data and today: President Barack Obama. Democrats (led by Obama) failed to deliver, and people want change. Voters think Democrats are weak -- and I'm in this camp -- because if Democrats don't fight for what they believe in, then what will they fight for?
right_of_center
Different take
written by right_of_center, February 05, 2010
When I saw the results of the poll, I was actually surprised that Kennedy polled as well as he did. Even more surprising to me was that the 60+ age group was Kennedy's weakest area. It's been long believed that the geezers are PK's base that he can always count on. Heck, in many of their polling centers, there's a photo of him hanging on the wall as they vote.

I've learned to never count out any incumbent, but if Loughlin can avoid missteps, this election could be Kennedy's closest since Vigilante.
Steve A.
Different view
written by Steve A., February 05, 2010
If I were asked the question as proposed by Channel 12, to me I would take it as meaning are you set on Kennedy or would you consider another option. If I feel someone is doing an excellent job and I'm happy with their performance, how likely would I be to fix what "ain't broke".
Rhody
Look at the promotion
written by Rhody, February 05, 2010
Channel 12 has been promoting this poll in a breathlessly sensational manner all week, which I've never seen done for a political poll. All that was missing was Susan Hogan posing as a hooker, or the "Love in the Rectory" graphic.
The promotion monkeys seemed to be dying for a Scott Brown effect.
Libby Kimzey
this poll is a hack.
written by Libby Kimzey, February 05, 2010
Steve A, I'm with Brian on this one, and would always consider the other candidate.

elemare, take it or leave it, but when voters cast their ballots, name recognition will always be a factor.
VeganFuture
Glen Beck School of Science and Mathematics
written by VeganFuture, February 05, 2010
...strikes again.
al toke
al toke
written by al toke, February 05, 2010
it is pretty early for predictable polls ; a lot of folks are giddy with the 'Scott Brown effect'

Nine months to November, a lot can happen and incumbents can make things happen. Nine months is can be lifetime time in politics, especially in a campaign year. Scott Brown had a lot of money and Coakley was a lazy candidate who took a win for granted in the bluest state in the union.

John Loughlin, Kennedy's now-announced opponent should keep in mind an old political adage "you can't beat somebody with nobody" ; Patrick Kennedy is not a 'nobody'. John Loughlin is.
elemare
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written by elemare, February 06, 2010
"...Channel 12 has been promoting this poll in a breathlessly sensational manner all week..."

Three words: February Ratings Sweeps

Lately, Kennedy has made some real bonehead moves - more ridiculous than usual, that is - and gotten a lot of bad press nationally over them. Picking a fight with the Bishop of Providence, then playing the victim, didn't sit well with a lot of Catholics; avoiding a public discussion with his constituents about health care this summer didn't go over well either. Calling Coakley "Marcia," well, what can I say. And now dismissing the Brown campaign as a joke and "overblown" is pissing off RI independents and Tea Partiers, some of whom crossed state lines to help make that happen... who is advising this guy? All of those people he has insulted and alienated are the same ones on whom a large part of his political future rests.

I wonder - if the numbers continue to deteriorate and if the support continues to erode - whether Patrick will "retire" and bow out of the race. Might be better to leave on his own than be humiliated by a loss. He's not a very good orator, never mind being pegged in a debate. Any thoughts?
Evan
We Want Hope!
written by Evan, February 06, 2010
And we want change!

So let's put the Republicans back in power!

Makes perfect sense.
ajm3s
Kennedy
written by ajm3s, February 06, 2010
Polls? When a Congressman cannot attend a town meeting in review of the healthcare debate in August of 2009 that would encompass the lives of every American in a dramatic and historic way, I say COWARD. Kennedy needs to enter a 12 step program for dealing with the public when his responsibilities include public service.

The tea party whether you are for, against or indifferent is making an impact in this country. They are getting organized to effectively counter the arguements of Big Government and centralize government.

Vote 2010. That is the ultimate poll. FYI. Kennedy has never and will not get my vote in 2010.

elemare
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written by elemare, February 06, 2010
No, Evan, "the Republican" (whoever it is) is not always the best alternative! Not at all. The problem is the system has funneled down to only those two party choices, with little serious consideration given by voters to a third or more party alternative.

To make matters worse: although lip service is paid to differences between those two, it's basically a system of democans and republicrats.

No change there.

But that doesn't mean settle for status quo and create a career for politicians just because you recognize their names... or remember fondly candidates' dear departed - and far more effective - relatives (e.g., squishy Chafee, who has the platform of Barney the Purple Dinosaur.) The system might work better with a little more revolving door action.
1morejerk
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written by 1morejerk, February 06, 2010
All incumbents will need to work hard to earn voters even current legislators who may want to reach higher.
Evan
Elemare
written by Evan, February 06, 2010
I never disagreed with anything you just said. Coakely ran a horrible campaign in MA and acted as if the election was her official coronation.

That said, perhaps a superior Democratic candidate would have fared far better against Scott Brown. This is a man with very little substance who acted like "every man" because he drives a truck - despite the fact that the policies he supports actually inflict harm upon "every man".

I was simply pointing out the flawed logic in electing Scott Brown to represent the "people." It is an often-told narrative, and certainly nothing new. In 2004 we had two blue bloods running against each other. One, for the most part, had policies hat inflicted harm upon the middle class. The other, for the most part, had policies that were more favorable to said class. But the former acted like "every man", a guy you could "have a beer with", whereas the latter was more cold and disengaged. So self-projection trumped policy.

And that is exactly what's happened here. I don't see one thing in Scott Brown's policiy proposals that points to the renewal of the middle class. It's all extremely vague. So if you want Barney, I'd look at Mr. Brown, not Mr. Chafee.

And yet, even Scott Brown says the Tea Party had very little to do with his election. It's one of the few intelligent things he's said. I hope he enjoys his two years, it's all he's likely to get.

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