The NECAP scores and RI's achievement gap
Posted by: Brian Hull
in Education
on February 04, 2010
I wanted to follow up on Pat Crowley’s post referring to yesterday’s NECAP test scores that were released from the RI Dept. of Education. As Pat correctly pointed out, the press release purposefully misstates the decline in math test scores for the majority of the state’s charter schools. What I wanted to do is engage people in a theoretical exercise.
There’s a lot of talk about how horrible the state’s schools are, that we spend more money per pupil, but have lower student achievement, that public school teachers are the problem, and we need to move to a model where administrators have the “flexibility” to remove underperforming teachers.
Looking at the recent NECAP scores (with the full understanding that these scores cannot determine teacher quality in any meaningful way), we again get a clear picture of two very distinct school systems existing in the state. There is a pretty consistent correlation between test scores and the wealth of a particular community. The more wealthy a community is, the better the scores are; the poorer the community, the lower the scores.
This has been a truism for many, many year in the state, but is generally lost in the vitriolic denunciation of public school teachers that seems to permeate every dialogue even remotely related to education.
The five wealthiest communities in the state, based on median family income are:
- East Greenwich $90,221
- Barrington $84,657
- Jamestown $77,990
- Exeter / West Greenwich $72,745
- North Kingstown $69,559
The five poorest communities in the state, based on median family income are:
- Central Falls $26,844
- Providence $32,058
- Woonsocket $38,353
- Pawtucket $39,038
- West Warwick $47,674
Schools in the five wealthiest communities have consistently higher student test scores than schools in the poorest five communities. For example, students in Barrington’s elementary schools score between 89 and 94% proficient in reading and between 84 and 93% proficient in math. In East Greenwich, elementary students score between 86 and 98% proficient in reading and between 85 to 95% proficient in math.
Conversely, in Central Falls, reading scores are between 46 and 73%, and math scores are between 41 and 66%. In Providence elementary schools, students scored between 33 and 66% proficient in reading and 18 to 58% proficient in math. The disparity in test scores holds true for middle schools and high schools as well.
Now this isn’t a debate between public and private schools, or public and charter schools. This is a question of why certain public schools do consistently well, while other public schools have consistently poor outcomes?
I’ve heard a lot about the importance of teacher quality and teacher effectiveness (these are not mutually exclusive in my opinion). I don’t deny that having a highly qualified and motivated teacher standing at the front of every classroom is extremely important. Children should only go through each grade once, and that experience should be the best possible to ensure that they’re reaching their full potential.
My rhetorical question is – do all the highly qualified, motivated, and effective public school teachers only teach in Barrington, East Greenwich, and the other high performing schools in wealthy communities, leaving Providence, Central Falls, Woonsocket, etc. with “low quality” teachers?
The answer, obviously, is a resounding no. There are many, many factors that influence how effective even the best teacher can be in a classroom: age of text books, class size, stable home life, language barriers, poverty, hunger, community resources, previous student achievement, parental involvement, attitudinal or behavioral problems, special needs students, etc.
I just wish there was a more nuanced education reform policy that considered the multitude of different reasons why children may not be living up to their full potential, rather than basing everything on how kids are doing on certain tests. Are there poor quality teachers? Probably so. And certainly, there are teachers that can be unprepared. Should we continually improve teacher quality through professional development and lifelong educational training? Yes.
But my theoretical exercise would involve taking the entire teaching staff and school administration from Meadowbrook Farms Elementary School in East Greenwich (2009 proficiency = 98% in reading and 95% in math) and put them in Charlotte Woods Elementary School in Providence (2009 proficiency = 33% in reading and 26% in math). I would like to see if they could achieve the same results in a vastly different school setting with a variety of additional challenges.

written by Malachi Constant, February 04, 2010
written by DeusEx, February 04, 2010
Most people are answering this question: no, we aren't.
Anyone with a triple digit IQ should be able to identify that test scores aren't the sole determining factor in whether teachers are performing well or not. Obviously there are outside factors involved, like students' home lives, but those are irrelevant to the narrow discussion at hand, which is whether there is waste in the schoolsystem and whether teachers are making too much money. The union advocates say no, the general public says yes. Difference of opinion. I side with the general public on this one.
written by Malachi Constant, February 04, 2010
Once again, this Deuxs' solution is simple: pay people less. Simplistic solutions are what got us into this mess.
Oh, and I seem to remember that the Commissioner of Education in Rhode ISland thinks that test scores are an appropriate measure for teachers.....are you saying she is an sub three digit IQ person? No, of course not.. she's againt the union so she must be ok, right?
Please......
written by DeusEx, February 04, 2010
I am not for paying teachers less. I am for not paying teachers anything. I want the market to pay them so that they are paid based upon the actual demand for and value of their services rather than what some bureaucrat or arbitrator decides to award the union this year under political pressure or threat of litigation.
And I seriously doubt that Gist said that test scores can be looked at in isolation to determine teacher performance. Why don't you let her speak for herself and quote her instead of doing her a "favor" by summarizing her? I know that whenever you do me that favor what comes out the other side is usually unrecognizable to anything I have actually said.
written by aparker111, February 07, 2010
I'm not an educator....but I have worked with youth in 3 of the state's three poverty areas for two decades before my retirement as a supervisor from Juvenile Probation.
written by PhilLombardo, March 25, 2010








If you want a good education, with good performing schools, it all starts at home. It starts with good parenting. Good, attentive and caring parents will give a child a good foundation on which to learn. Then good teachers can take it from there and all work together to get the optimal situation for the teacher.
However if either one (or both) of these aren't there, the student and the school will be underperforming. That 13 year old without parents home at night or having to work until midnight isn't going to perform to her best ability even with the best teachers. And likewise, someone with a "perfect" homelife but a lazy, crappy teacher isn't going to perform to their max either.
I think the correlation that is implied in Brian's post but isn't stated is the correlation often between household income and importance of education. I think more of the "upper income" cities just have more of an emphasis on education from the parents than do the lesser income cities. I think that's where it all starts.
There's a lot that goes into it and it's crazy when people blame one side or the other, without examining both.