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9 responses to “Child Health Deficiencies Explain RI Education Gap”

  1. davidc

    Commenting on this post a little late, but I wanted to point out something a little misleading here.  Tom describes RI as middle of the pack in education spending, and it is when you combine K-12, libraries and univerisity spending as the RIPEC report does.  When you limit it to per capita elementary and secondary education, RI is ranked 8th and Mass is 13th.  Not exactly middle of the pack. Since the rest of the post is focused on K-12, I think this is a significant inconsistency.

    Beyond that, the health information is interesting, but my guess is that it correlates pretty well with Massachusetts’ generally higher incomes and higher educational attainment for its adult population.  And while I admit this is my guess, Tom offers no real proof other than pointing out the discrepancy and hoping our colelctive guilt draws the desired conclusion.  I’d only offer that while child health is an issue, the driver behind the different educational achievement might be another factor that correlate with better child health, as listed above.

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  2. RightToWork

    “Our higher costs can’t be attributed to unions, since Massachusetts is as unionized as we are”

    For a supposed statistician, you draw some pretty reckless conclusions, Tom. Are you really telling us that you can make an absolutist statement like that based on a unionized workforce percentage alone? Unions could be having a different impact on public education costs in Rhode Island for any of dozens of reasons.

    “It’s also even conceivable that almost-universal health care in Massachusetts has something to do with child health outcomes.”

    Anything’s conceivable, but that would be a grossly irresponsible assumption. If you want to see what really outstanding health statistics look like, take a gander at libertarian New Hampshire next door.

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    1. turbo

      “libertarian New Hampshire”

      You mean ‘parasitic New Hampshire’, of course.

      Although, in the end, I suppose you did say just that.   

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      1. RightToWork

        Oh, right, I forgot – any state that accepts a percentage of its tax dollars back in the form of stimulus (all 50) is a “parasite” and can’t even be measured comparatively in terms of libertarian principles. And any libertarian individual who uses the roads is a hypocrite and not a real libertarian. Thanks for reminding us. Excellent philosophical points. Ironclad logic there.

        Don’t bother responding. I know you’re just trolling up the thread again and trying to start another endless argument. 

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  3. turbo

    “Oh, right, I forgot – any state…any libertarian…Ironclad logic”

    Hmmm. You seem to be responding to yourself.

    “Don’t bother responding”

    Or what?

    Anyway, since you brought up health care as an example of New Hampshire’s libertarianism, it seems relevant to point out that New Hampshire has all manner of state-and federally-funded insurance programs to cover its residents: http://www.healthcare.com/health-insurance/state/new-hampshire/new-hampshire-health-insurance/

    “There are several state sponsored health insurance programs in the State of New Hampshire to assist those without insurance in obtaining adequate coverage.”

    “The high-risk pool in the State of New Hampshire is summarized in the chart below”

    “Through shared funding from the federal government, the State of New Hampshire provides health insurance for uninsured children that meet certain eligibility guidelines.”

    The chart below provides a summary of the Medicaid programs in the State of New Hampshire:”

    Why, that does sound libertarian!

     

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    1. RightToWork

      All states have Federal and state health programs. Obviously I was speaking comparatively to the so-called universal health care system in Massachusetts in response to Tom’s point. 

      Go troll somewhere else. This is so old already.

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      1. turbo

        “Obviously I was speaking comparatively to the so-called universal health care system”

        No. You declared New Hampshire libertarian, referring specifically to its health care system, which is in no way libertarian.

        To put it another way, just because a health care system is different from Massachusett’s doesn’t mean that it is libertarian.

        In order to justify your statement, you must show that New Hampshire’s health care system is libertarian, which you know full well that you cannot do.

        Which explains why you are so eager to run away from this thread. 

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  4. davidc

    Tom, if the title of your post had been “child health may be a contributor to RI education gap” I’d have no objection at all.  But you didn’t, you said it explains the gap, and you didn’t show how it does.  But you did make fun of me because I pointed it out.

    And there are several other things that may also be (bigger?) contributors to the RI education gap relative to Massachusetts.  One may be the better economic circumstances and the generally higher family incomes found there.  Another may be the MCAS test providing lots of motivation to schools and families alike.  Another may be the difficult teacher certification test.

    The question you post purported to address is not whether we would like to have improved child health numbers, but child health effect on education outcomes

    An article from Forbes.com last week pointed out that RI, with its lower income levels, is unable to reach the level of government services of neighboring states like MASS and CT, even with relatively higher taxes, which indicates to me we can’t mirror those states’ approaches for affordability reasons.

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